#114 – Does Kratom Have a Future in the United States? Justin Kats of Kats Botanicals


Justin  15:01

Definitely, definitely. I mean, there’s so many cases where older people, they have legitimate pain issues. They get prescribed Fentanyl or OxyCon and they get addicted to it. But the problem with that addiction is it can cause death. Is kratom habit forming? I’m honest with my customers, that kratom, obviously, I think it’s going to be habit forming. But you have to weigh out the pros and cons. Does it help your life? At the end of the day, is your life better? And also, at the end of the day, if you do have a “habit” to kratom, it’s not going to kill you. Coffee is also habit forming. I mean, there’s a bunch of things that are habit forming that at the end of the day, they won’t kill you or destroy your life.


Vadim  15:41

Absolutely. I mean, I’m absolutely addicted to coffee. And every time I get off it, I have headaches for four or five days. I mean, it’s definitely an addiction. But overall, it helps my life, and when I need to get off, I get off and it stinks, but it’s not like I’m not going to stop breathing, you know. So I appreciate the fact that you are so transparent with your customers. And is kratom difficult to stop when people want to stop there? Are there some withdrawal symptoms from it?


Justin  16:10

You know, it’s a really controversial topic because I think we’re so programmed to defend ourselves against, you know, the FDA and the media that gets these fake news stories. So right away, we go into defense and we attack and we attack. The truth of the matter is, if you have been taking something like kratom for a really long time, if you just go off it, then of course you’re not going to feel comfortable. You will go through some withdrawal symptoms. But does that mean that we should make it Schedule I? Does that mean we should cut off the supply so all those people that get these tremendous wellness benefits from it will not get those benefits anymore? So it’s just a balance of how you look at it. But it can cause withdrawal symptoms? For sure. For sure. I mean, it’s different. It depends on the individual as well.


Vadim  16:54

I think as long as people are aware of that, then it’s fine.


Justin  16:58

I agree. Like you said, coffee also causes withdrawal symptoms. 


Vadim  17:02

And they’re very strong. Sometimes the migraines I get are pretty bad from when I stop coffee. So everybody’s different and has to make that decision for themselves from what they choose to take and what they don’t. And speaking of CBD, I’ve heard from people I know that use kratom a lot, that it actually helps with those problematic symptoms sometimes, the CBD if it’s taken during that time. Nothing in this podcast is meant to be health advice. This is just two guys talking. But you know, I’ve heard from my friends that use kratom that the CBD helps them with those symptoms sometimes.


Justin  17:37

And I’ve definitely heard the same thing. As far as CBD goes, you know, I use CBD to calm me down a little bit. I’m an anxious type of person. So when I take our full-spectrum oil, for example, it definitely is something that I use to shoo me out a little bit




Vadim  17:50

What kind of feedback have you received from your longtime customers once you started carrying the CBD?


Justin  17:55

For the most part, it’s really positive, you know. I mean, I always say this. No product on this entire planet that will please every person, you know, that every person will get on with it or agree with it or love it. For the most part, though, the people that do order our full-spectrum oil and other CBD products, they like it. And because, for me, quality is the most important aspect of my company and has been since day one, so people, you know, CBD connoisseurs who try our oil, they definitely dig it, they definitely like it. 


Vadim  18:27

And it’s a full-spectrum, so it does have some THC in there?


Justin  18:31

Yeah, it does have under 0.3 THC. It’s definitely full-spectrum. It’s a beautiful amber color. When you taste it, you get hit with a lot of terpenes, you get hit with that hemp flavor. Honestly, I try a lot of oils, and some from the biggest companies and I take the oil, a lot of it is distillate. So the problem with that is that you can take the worst grown hemp and turn it into the most beautiful distillate oil. But to produce really good full-spectrum oil, you need to have really good hemp. And I think that’s one of the main differences with those products and I think our full-spectrum oil is one of the best oils out there, but again, you know, the competition is really tough so we’re trying to get bigger with it. I think we can.


Vadim  19:11

Your oil, we’ve tried at CBD School. Our reviewers have tried over 50 brands and your oil was fantastic. When my reviewers tell me something stood out it, means something. Because just from the volume that we’ve tried, the flavor and the color is beautiful. And it seems like a full plant oil.


Justin  19:31

it is, it is. I can’t stress that enough. I mean, again, some of the biggest companies out there, you get their oil and it’s a see through, you know. That’s not what I’m trying to sell for a full-spectrum product. I want you to get the real deal.


Vadim  19:43

You have that, you have the healing salve, the topical. And also, you do sell isolate products as well? 


Justin  19:50

We do, we do. We do source high-quality CBD isolate for the people that can’t consume any THC at all. So yeah, we were definitely in that space as well.


Vadim  20:00

A lot of people have to watch out for that. And that’s what I’m always educating people on, is there’s different products available for your needs depending if you have to deal with the drug tests as much of a nuisance as they are. There’s tons of products that are available. Like the Kats Botanicals isolate that can suit you.


Justin  20:17

And we’re actually in the process of research and developing a broad-spectrum tincture oil. And the difference is it uses distillate, but this distillate is going to be made from the same great hemp that the full-spectrum oil is made from. The only difference is it actually goes through a system that removes all the THC. So that people out there, they get drug tested at work, they’ll be able to use this product and still reap the benefits of our CBD.


Vadim  20:45

Hey, everyone, I hope you are enjoying the show today and learning more about Kats Botanicals. Please do check out katsbotanicals.com. That’s KATSBOTANICALS.com and use the coupon code SAVE15 for 15% off your order. Thanks for listening and enjoy the rest of the show. 


So for people at home, can you explain to them what is a distillate? Because there’s some listeners that might not understand what you mean.


Justin  21:19

The main difference is how it’s made. It’s not so different. Pretty much the main thing is that the THC is completely removed. That’s the main difference. The rest of the process a lot of times is very similar between the two.


Vadim  21:35

But the distillate is more refined, I guess, from other plant oils and other components of the full-spectrum.


Justin  21:41

Right. You do lose some of the other terpenes and the other cannabinoids in the plant. But a good process when you do make distillate, you still will have some of that. You know, that terpene goodness and that hemp flavor there. But it’s not nearly as much as a full-spectrum oil.


Vadim  21:56

Right, right. And that’s just the trade off people have to accept when they’re using these products. And if they have needs like that for, you know, just the trade off. It’s either don’t use it at all or use what you can.


Justin  22:08

Right, exactly. 


Vadim  22:10

Now your gummies, though, they are zero THC, is that correct?


Justin  22:12

Yeah, the gummies are actually made with CBD isolate. We’re actually going to be discontinuing the gummies. I’m going to be rebranding and working on a new product all natural, where there’s no synthetic type of ingredients at all. But that’s later on the list. Right now, I really want to, you know, develop this CBD cartridge that I’ve been working on, which I’m really excited about, and broad-spectrum oil that I just told you about.


Vadim  22:34

So it sounds like you spend a lot of time on product development.


Justin  22:37

Yeah, you know, my business model for CBD is I’m not trying to sell CBD and become a millionaire or anything, I’m going to sell CBD on my site, I’m going to sell the highest quality versions of those products. If it sells really well, great; if it sells like it’s selling now, I’m satisfied. I just want to give people the opportunity, and to create a platform where they can purchase and talk about high-quality botanical products, and CBD being one of them. That’s all that matters to me in the CBD space. It’s a more laid back view, you know, whereas maybe a lot of my competitors are a little more aggressive about growing their CBD side of the business up or their CBD site up. For me, it’s just giving people the highest-quality products and, you know, see where it goes.


Vadim  23:20

I appreciate that. I think that’s a good approach. And you might end up being a millionaire just because you’re not trying, you know.


Justin  23:28

Right, right.


Vadim  23:28

From the CBD. You know, a lot of times, it’s the people that are trying the hardest that aren’t seeing much traction because maybe they’re not putting the time into the products that they should be. 


Justin  23:39

Right, exactly. 




Vadim  23:39

So we really appreciated all the different offerings on your site. There’s something we still haven’t even discussed was the shilajit. Am I saying that right?


Justin  23:49

Right. Shilajit. 


Vadim  23:51

Shilajit. What is that?


Justin  23:52

It’s pretty much a blackish looking resin. It could be in a powder and it could be in a resin form. And it’s a natural substance that’s formed under rocks in the Himalayan mountains, also in the Altai mountains, and they take this substance and they filter it to get all the nasty stuff out. And it’s pretty much just a resin made up of many, many minerals — over 85 different minerals, and it has various wellness benefits, but it also gives you a nice boost in the morning, kind of like a cup of coffee, which is why a lot of people who do take kratom, they also enjoy it.


Vadim  24:24

Wow. So it actually has an effect like a stimulating property to it?


Justin  24:28

Yeah, it definitely boosts your motivation for sure. You know, for me, I have to actually even weigh out my dose because I take a bit too much. I’m a bit too motivated.


Vadim  24:39

Wow. I didn’t realize that it has that effect. Like I said, the company I worked with before with kratom, they carry it as well. And I just thought it was this weird black stuff that I just never touched it, but it looks beautiful. It’s very shiny and how do you take it, the resin?


Justin  24:56

Also, I forgot to mention and also contains a lot of fulvic acid, which in itself has a lot of health benefits and more than 84 minerals. They can act as an antioxidant, you know, to improve your body’s immunity. They can act as an anti-inflammatory. But pretty much you just roll it up in a little pea sized bowl and you throw it in the back of your mouth and swallow. It doesn’t taste too good. But you know, it only takes a second. Some people also dissolve it in their morning coffee. So they get a little extra, you know, boost from their coffee as well. 


Vadim  25:25

Okay. So it can be put in a drink? 


Justin  25:27

Correct.In a hot drink so it can melt.


Vadim  25:28

Okay. And what does it taste like? Like bitter?


Justin  25:31

Ah, yeah, it’s bitter. Some people say it kind of tastes like a manure. It doesn’t bother me. But a lot of people are very sensitive to taste and smell. So I struggle with taking it but, you know, I think it has a lot of benefits so I think it’s worth it.


Vadim  25:45

Probably people that are used to kratom taste don’t really mind it.


Justin  25:48

Well, you know, that’s an interesting thing. Actually, most people, I think between 60% or 70% of people who take kratom, they actually can’t handle drinking it. When I take kratom, I just mix it in warm water and sip on. Most people can’t do that. They have to use a toss and wash method where they toss the powder in the back of their mouth and then they take a drink of, you know, whatever their favorite drink is so they don’t taste it.


Vadim  26:09

I don’t particularly like the taste. I only had it a few times. It never agreed well with my body. But I didn’t particularly like the taste. But it gives us a very strong beer, green tea kind of flavor.


Justin  26:21

Right, exactly, exactly. 


Vadim  26:23

I think people that like dark chocolate green tea, they might like that. But it all depends on your taste buds. It seems like everyone’s are different.


Justin  26:31

Definitely. Our taste buds are definitely different.




Vadim  26:34

So what I like about your shop is you have this, I mean, we talked to a lot of companies at CBD School, but you have just this fantastic variety. You also have turmeric, I see.


Justin  26:44

So turmeric is an awesome product. We actually have fancy friends who live here in New Jersey, both Natalia and Sasha, Sasha is a chiropractor. He’s an extremely intelligent person. He’s always researching all different kinds of supplements and, you know, natural ways to boost your wellness. And they have a supplement company. And I went to them and I said, “Listen, you know, I know you guys source the highest-quality materials for your tumeric product and all your supplements.” I mean, they really take things to a different level when it comes to sourcing all these materials. And I said, “Listen, can we sell your turmeric with our label on it?” So it still has their label, but it also has our label and surprisingly so or maybe not surprisingly, the turmeric sells really well.


Vadim  27:30

And it’s very reasonably priced and there’s tons of options for people to buy turmeric, but from what I’m gathering, they’ve done a lot of research on this particular — is it a blend?


Justin  27:38

Well, yeah, it is a blend of turmeric and actually curcumin extracts. So turmeric is the most active compound in curcumin and it also has many wellness benefits, but we also have a good dosage of pepper added because you do need to take turmeric with pepper for your body to absorb it. So that all is in the one capsule that you take.


Vadim  28:00

Interesting. I eat it sometimes, turmeric. I put it in shakes, but I’ve never done a capsule of it. I think it’s good for people who don’t like the taste of it, because it’s not particularly good. Or I find a lot of people just don’t like it. I like it because I like Indian food and stuff. 


Justin  28:18

You know, actually, also, I noticed a difference in how I feel when I do my weekly preps and I grow a bunch of chicken breasts. I always put turmeric and pepper on it. I don’t mind the flavor, but I also know how great it is for me. So maybe that’s a booster. 


Vadim  28:33

I love making chicken with turmeric. I do. It’s like the recipe on the turmeric jar.


Justin  28:37

Right, exactly.


Vadim  28:39

It’s really good. You just dump a bunch of turmeric and bacon in the oven. 


Justin  28:44



Vadim  28:44

And I see here also you have a kratom soap even. So I didn’t know kratom could be used topically.


Justin  28:48

Yeah, it could be used topically. We do sell soap. We’re actually going to be releasing a whole line of beauty products. This original product was just a start. We’re going to be discontinuing that specific soap product, but we are going to be bringing a whole line of beauty products where kratom is involved. And a lot of people have been reporting, you know, really good results and that skin feels fresh. They seem to have, you know, less redness in the skin. So it’s something that needs to be researched a bit more though, for sure. 


Vadim  29:18

And I wanted to ask you. There’s another company out there called Kat’s Naturals.


Justin  29:23

CBD company, I believe. 


Vadim  29:25

No affiliation, though, right? 


Justin  29:27

No, no affiliation at all. Nope. 


Vadim  29:25

Okay. And what was the reason you first started taking kratom? Was it a tennis injury?


Justin  29:34

Yeah. So I actually had an injury, an actually really painful tennis elbow. Tennis elbow. The reason why tennis elbow happens a lot of the time is you take the ball a bit too late and it pushes your shoulder back and there’s just a lot of stress on your elbow, and, you know, that whole area hurts. And my buddy, my friend, my good friend Russell, he was taking something called Red Bali, and he’s like, “Dude, you have to try this. You have to try this.” I kept postponing it and delaying it, and I tried it once and, you know, I felt good. And that’s how I pretty much started taking kratom.


Vadim  30:06

You know, the funny thing about tennis elbow is you don’t have to be a tennis player to get it, right? Oh, I think I have it. 


Justin  30:12



Vadim  30:13

What is that? It’s on the outside or inside?


Justin  30:15

Well, no, I believe it’s the inflammation on the inside of your arm that causes that pain. But it’s something that you can’t really truly fix. You just have to make sure that, for example, in tennis, I would try to always make sure I take the ball a bit earlier. Because if I were taking a bit late, if I hit a forehand hit it a bit late, then it would exasperate that problem there in my elbow.


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